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 Post subject: 3rd gen donor car, what year is best?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:15 am 
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I am thinking/typing out loud here. I have done a bit of research on the power steering box upgrade to get a more "modern" feel in my '69. It seems the budget way is an '87 or so Iroc sport F41/FE2 suspension car (CARDONE # 276550 $120 or so) and about a hundred bucks worth of adaptors from Lee Mfg. I've also read that these cars came with 2 piston rear disk brake calipers that will bolt up to my rear end if I pull the axles off and get a proportioning valve to adjust the balance. I see these cars available with various ailments for $1500 or so.
So to make this worth my while I have to be able to sell a grand worth of parts after I take what I can use for the brakes/steering. Unless it has useable parts like an electric fan & shroud I can make work. Or maybe a manual trans and parts that will hold up to 400HP and work with a '69 to lower what I need out of it. My engine is overbuilt so that's not an option. I could probably get $200 for decent wheels, I have a 200R4 that's stout so an auto trans is of no interest to me.
So what I'm asking is a manual trans from a 3rd gen Iroc adapable to a '69 and does it have the electric fans and relays that will work for me along with the rear brakes if they indeed do fit. If all that would work anything I could part out would be gravy. Again it's after 2am & i'm just thinking out loud here.

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 Post subject: Re: 3rd gen donor car, what year is best?
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My research shows J65 four wheel discs only available on the Z/28, B4C or 1LE models. I don't think you'll find a 1LE or B4C in your price range as they are rare most years of the third gen. The B4C is basicly a Z/28 for police use and the 1LE was a special car without A/C for SCCA competition. The Z/28 form 87 up should have a tuned port fuel injection which was a popular swap in the past, not sure how many a using it today. All the 3rd gen cars have an electric fan that might be adaptable to a first gen.

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nice idea, but.... If I found an 87 IROC for $1500, I'd fix it up and drive it!

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Here's a couple of options from CL in the price range you were talking about......

http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/cto/2833011950.html

http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/2830058693.html

http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/2801068465.html

I'm thinking you can find a 3rd Gen in a U-Pick It yard and pull the brackets and parts you need for the brakes then buy reman calipers for far less money and time over cutting up a $1500 parts car that you need to sell remander to get your cash back. Do you really want used calipers on your 69? Also there are prolly better choices for electric fans than the 3rd gen unit. Many use Taurus and I think T-Bird electric fans and they seen to be a common alternative to buying new.

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I have more time than money guys. If I had the cash to fix up a $1500 Iroc I'd just buy new parts for the 69. Rebuilt brakes from a 15 year old car have to be better than a 30+year old drum design. Just wondering if there are any other shoestring hot rodders who may have tried what I'm thinking about, or have a link to budget upgrades.

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None of those three cars mentioned rear disc brakes in the ad. I'm got the impression in my research that just because it's a Z doesn't mean it has rear discs. If you had the money today I buy the T/a You could recoup alot of your cash selling the motor form that one.(if what he says is true)

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Couple of other ads from CL for you Don..........

http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/pts/2834040911.html

http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/pts/2837715672.html

7715672.htmlhttp://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/p ... 46010.html

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Some more for you to read up on Don.......

http://lukeskaff.com/?page_id=350

http://pozziracing.com/12_corvette_brakes_on_fgen.htm

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Keep 'em coming guys. In my continuing research In '85 the Irocs got special valving for increased "feel" from the steering box. In '87 the Iroc Z 350 TPI cars all had J65 code rear disks. In '88 they added the serpentine belt system. In '89 the Iroc Z went from 10.5" to 11.65 rear rotors with aluminum 2 piston calipers. (only hardtops and stick shifts) This info is all from the web so who knows for sure. So in my fantasy deal I'm looking for an '89 Iroc Z hardtop at this point as cheap as I can find it. Maybe with a blown engine and trashed trans as it seems at this point i can only use the brakes, Serpentine system & steering. Opinions and experiences are appreciated :thumbsup:

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It seems the right combo may be tough to find.
"The 1989 model year signified the return of the RS designation (last used in 1987 on a limited edition California only model). The Rally Sport was now the base model featuring body ground effects mimicking the IROC and the previous Z28 but with the 2.8 V6 fuel-injected motor as standard with the 5.0 305 as an option. The raised rear spoiler that became available in 1988 on the base coupes was short-lived and done away with for this year.The engine ratings carried over from '88 with the addition of IROC-Z Coupes had a new dual catalytic converter exhaust option N10 that was standard with the G92 option only available on the 305 TPI motor with a manual transmission and the 350 TPI only available with the TH700-R4 automatic. Power boosted to 230 HP for the 305 and 240 HP for the 350. Also during this year all Camaros were outfitted with the VATS/PassKey security system and back seats received 3-point safety belts.

IROC-Zs with the TPI 350 had the 2.77 rear axle ratio as in the previous year, but the optional RPO G92 Performance Axle package modified the ratio to 3.27 for the TPI 350, and 3.45 for the TPI 305 with manual transmission. RPO G92 also included the aforementioned dual-converter exhaust; 4-wheel disc brakes (RPO J65); engine oil cooler; P245/50ZR16 Goodyear Eagle unidirectional tires; a 145 mph (233 km/h) speedometer; and a tachometer with a 5,500 rpm redline. Only 1,426 IROC-Z coupes were equipped with the Performance Axle package in 1989.

To take an IROC-Z coupe to the maximum performance extreme in 1989, when G92 Performance Axle was ordered with no air conditioning (C41), RPO code 1LE was automatically triggered. This included extra equipment intended to make the IROC-Z more competitive in SCCA Showroom Stock road racing events: larger 11.65-inch (296 mm) rotors with 2-piston aluminium calipers from PBR; an aluminum driveshaft; a special baffled fuel tank; specific shock absorbers; and stiffer suspension bushings. The fog lamps were also deleted. Since the 1LE was simply an option combination, not a separate package or model which was promoted, very few customers or even Chevrolet dealers were aware of its existence. As a result, only 111 Camaros were built with the 1LE equipment in 1989.[2]"

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